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Post by scottc on Nov 17, 2011 10:10:24 GMT -5
Odorizzi and Martinez are there, make sure you select "pitchers" and "all" rather than "batters' and "available" in your search. the 2011 draftees don't get added until some time during this offseason so that they can be subjected to a draft in leagues that do limit their prospects to the players in the ESPN universe.
This is irrelevant though since the only reasonable way to have all prospects available is to keep minor league rosters on this site and ignore who is and is not in the ESPN game. I did not see a case in 2011 of a player not being in the ESPN game who actually got called up to the majors.
IMO we shouldn't be allowed to stash extra players w/o MLB experience on our MLB rosters anyway.
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Post by Jason Hunt (Athletics GM) on Nov 17, 2011 10:18:07 GMT -5
I'm kind of in agreement with Scott about stashing players who don't have major league experience. The loophole of draftees is that both ESPN and Yahoo databases are generally based on the 40-man rosters, and usually players who are viewed as highly likely to be on the team during the season. They will include prospects that don't fit those criteria depending on their quality, but I'm not sure if there is a guarantee of how they determine that.
I think we can address the database issues with two steps:
1 - Pick one of the two sites. I honestly don't know how much of a difference there will be for our sized league between the two sites, and I'm thinking that the effect will be negligible.
2 - We start the minor league draft immediately after our regular draft, and then plan on having it in October each year going forward. Since a player who has debuted is not eligible to be drafted, we will know immediately after the season ends who is eligible to be drafted.
I think that keeping the minor league rosters mainly on Proboards will be fine. If a player is called up that is not in the database, they will be added and subject to the FA process, if they have not already been drafted in the minor league draft. If they have, then that would be something we catch if someone tries to post them when they shouldn't have.
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Post by pooptallica on Nov 17, 2011 10:36:37 GMT -5
Agreed with both of the above. We should pick a site soon, so as to finalize the eligibility questions.
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Post by Texas Rangers on Nov 17, 2011 12:17:05 GMT -5
Deeper how exactly? More prospects? Yes. About midway through 2011, they started adding a ton of prospects based on demand. It's not just based on 40-man rosters anymore. You'll find guys like Profar and Bauer. It's not perfect, but I've found that in most cases, any player you can find on Yahoo, you'll find on ESPN...and more.
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Post by Commissioner (Athletics GM) on Nov 17, 2011 12:40:54 GMT -5
The problem I have with that is people will start stashing guys like Profar for 3-4 years and consequently wasting a roster spot for a pretty hefty amount of time.
From experience in another dynasty league, we don't allow players to be added who haven't played a major league game. If they play a game and are not someone's prospect, they follow waiver rules which in this league, would be the bidding process.
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Post by pooptallica on Nov 17, 2011 14:31:54 GMT -5
I don't see the motivation to "stash" a guy like Profar on the MLB roster, when our minor league rosters are ostensibly infinite, and we own the rights to those guys until they reach the AB/IP threshold.
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Post by Commissioner (Athletics GM) on Nov 17, 2011 14:40:19 GMT -5
Because owning a prospect on your major league roster is different than drafting a prospect. A prospect you pick up does not need to exceed the limits for another owner to claim him while a prospect you draft does.
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Post by pooptallica on Nov 17, 2011 14:50:36 GMT -5
Um, did you not say before that the only way to acquire "prospects," i.e. players who have not played a MLB game, is via the prospect draft? I may be confused.
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Post by Commissioner (Athletics GM) on Nov 17, 2011 14:54:44 GMT -5
Yes, the prospect draft is the only way to add players. I was using Profar as an example. Before last season, I'm sure he wouldn't have gone in the prospect draft. As his value skyrocketed this season, people would add him via free agents during the season just to stash him on the roster.
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Post by pooptallica on Nov 17, 2011 15:09:49 GMT -5
So prospects who haven't played a MLB game CAN be added via free agency, and not just the prospect draft? I'm still confused.
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Post by Commissioner (Athletics GM) on Nov 17, 2011 15:13:05 GMT -5
They can be added to your team, but they would not be considered prospects. They would not be eligible for the 250 AB's or 100 IP limits.
Example:
I add Profar mid season this year. He gets treated as a player. If I drop him, someone else could grab him since he does not go by the prospect limits that those in the draft are protected by.
To prevent people from stashing players mid season like that, I suggest we do not allow anyone to be picked up if they haven't played in a major league game.
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Post by pooptallica on Nov 17, 2011 15:18:38 GMT -5
YES. I agree. And am no longer confused.
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Post by Jason Hunt (Athletics GM) on Nov 17, 2011 15:21:57 GMT -5
I think this is the easiest way to manage this. Makes the most sense to me.
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Post by hylianhero on Nov 17, 2011 17:00:26 GMT -5
Agree, we should only be allowed to add them after they have MLB experience.
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Post by Commissioner (Athletics GM) on Nov 17, 2011 17:01:20 GMT -5
So I propose we use the Yahoo! system. There's a setting option where I can remove anyone who hasn't played a major league game from the system which will make it easier on the managers.
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