|
Post by carloscollazo06 on Nov 9, 2011 21:43:55 GMT -5
I personally don't like including salaries but obviously there are people who do. Can we get some of the benefits of actually having salaries?
|
|
|
Post by Commissioner (Athletics GM) on Nov 9, 2011 21:44:52 GMT -5
Basically adds an extra twist to the league. Makes you consider a few extra things when trading or adding free agents.
|
|
|
Post by scottc on Nov 10, 2011 9:10:15 GMT -5
How Salary could work:
1. Decide on a Cap (Let's call it $100 for this example) and assign contract values/lengths to the various rounds of the draft
for instance:
Round 1: $15 for 3 years
Round 2: $12 for 4 years
Round 3: $10 for 5 years
Round 4: $9 for 4 years
Round 5: $8 for 3 years etc. etc.
minor league players would get a $1/ 6 year contract upon promotion so that you'd have 6 years of team control like happens in MLB.
2. The other option is to Auction off players and decide on a cap
This is a little more straightforward. If you want to spend $30 on pujols you bid that along w/ years and the highest overall dollar value contract bid wins (so $20 for 5 years would beat $30 for 3). This would most accurately reflect the MLB FA market.
|
|
|
Post by scottc on Nov 10, 2011 9:22:41 GMT -5
Arguments for salary:
The primary one is that it forces some player movement/ promotes competitive balance. You will have to protect your players from the free agent market every once in a while so you'll be motivated to develop cheap minor league talent to promote and to make trades for favorable contracts to free up cap room to address other needs.
The contracts add another dimension to player valuation aside from raw production which I think is much much more interesting.
|
|
|
Post by christiankmikk on Nov 10, 2011 9:58:14 GMT -5
Id there isn't salaries then there is no free agency. And free agency is a huge part of baseball. I like it to be as realistic as possible.
|
|
|
Post by Commissioner (Athletics GM) on Nov 10, 2011 10:47:07 GMT -5
Few questions.
What happens at the end of a player contract? Do we get the chance to resign them or do we automatically lose them? What is the cap penalty for releasing a player before his contract is up? What kind of cap are we looking at?
I've never done a salary league so I would need some help with this.
|
|
|
Post by scottc on Nov 10, 2011 10:53:36 GMT -5
At end of a contract:
I think the best solution is to give a GM the option to match the highest bid on their FA's to "re-sign" them.
Teams should be on the hook for contracts that they cannot trade or get claimed by another team on waivers. Basically, you have to pay up to outright release a player
We could also have a buyout option for really bad contracts/ salary relief where you'd be on the hook for half of the remaining yearly $$$ for the remaining life of the bought out contract.
Examples:
Free agency/re-signing:
You have Pujols, he hits the market, the highest bid on him comes in at $30/5 years. Being that team that owned him when the contract expired you would have the right to match that bid and retain his services for that contract.
Waivers/Buyouts:
You have Vernon Wells at $20 a year for 3 more years.
1. You waive him hoping someone else will claim him but nobody does: You're on the hook for the contract and he becomes a FA
2. You buy out his contract for a $10 cap hit for the remaining three years of the deal freeing up $10 per year in the process.
|
|
|
Post by Commissioner (Athletics GM) on Nov 10, 2011 11:06:24 GMT -5
What if there was a resigning option before they hit the market? An inflated rate from the previous contract. Is that possible?
|
|
|
Post by scottc on Nov 10, 2011 11:14:14 GMT -5
What if there was a resigning option before they hit the market? An inflated rate from the previous contract. Is that possible? A proposal for a contract extensions: Add 10% extra from the current AAV of the contract for each year you'd like to extend the player Example: You have Evan Longoria for $10 for the next 3 years but you'd like to extend him for 3 more beyond that. You'd sign him to an extension that kicks in at the end of his current deal for $13/3 more years. if you wanted to go 5 more years beyond the current deal you'd have to sign the extension at $15/5 years to kick in at the end of the current deal.
|
|
|
Post by scottc on Nov 10, 2011 11:30:29 GMT -5
We would need to figure out something else for rookie contracts.
Proposal:
if one wanted to extend a player beyond their initial rookie contract before he hits FA perhaps we could agree no more than 2 years w/ an AAV at 50% of whatever the top paid player at his position is making?
Example: You have 2 years remaining on Dustin Ackley's rookie contract after calling him up. Robinson Cano is currently the highest paid 2B at $15. You could choose to extend Dustin Ackely for $7.50 for 1 or 2 years to kick in at the end of his rookie contract. This would allow the market to somewhat dictate the rates you can re-sign/extend promoted minor league players at.
If we allowed expiring rookie contracts to be extended/re-signed in this manner we should probably drop the length of the rookie contract to $1/3 years upon promotion.
|
|
|
Post by Commissioner (Athletics GM) on Nov 10, 2011 11:43:45 GMT -5
I'll try and think of some ways to get this perfect later tonight. Thanks for the ideas.
|
|
|
Post by carloscollazo06 on Nov 10, 2011 18:08:48 GMT -5
I really like how the whole salary system is developing. Before this I had no idea about it but it really adds a whole new level of depth and intrigue. I also like the idea of minor league prospects for 3 years with the option to resign for one-half top position value. Plus Scott has a BA avitar.
|
|
|
Post by christiankmikk on Nov 10, 2011 20:31:00 GMT -5
We would need to figure out something else for rookie contracts. Proposal: if one wanted to extend a player beyond their initial rookie contract before he hits FA perhaps we could agree no more than 2 years w/ an AAV at 50% of whatever the top paid player at his position is making? Example: You have 2 years remaining on Dustin Ackley's rookie contract after calling him up. Robinson Cano is currently the highest paid 2B at $15. You could choose to extend Dustin Ackely for $7.50 for 1 or 2 years to kick in at the end of his rookie contract. This would allow the market to somewhat dictate the rates you can re-sign/extend promoted minor league players at. If we allowed expiring rookie contracts to be extended/re-signed in this manner we should probably drop the length of the rookie contract to $1/3 years upon promotion. Just an idea, but it would make it seem more realistic if Cano earned $15M a year instead of $15 and Ackley $7.5M instead of $7.50. Ya know what I mean?
|
|
|
Post by scottc on Nov 10, 2011 20:55:12 GMT -5
Haha, of course the "dollars" could be MM. Minimum salary should still be 1MM for simplicity sake.
|
|
|
Post by christiankmikk on Nov 10, 2011 21:48:01 GMT -5
Yeah there we go. Now I'm happy lol
|
|