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Post by scottc on Jan 13, 2012 15:54:06 GMT -5
Are we doing "leagues" or "divisions" or is it just going to be all 16 teams in the same heap fighting for the top 8 h2h records for the playoffs?
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Post by Commissioner (Athletics GM) on Jan 13, 2012 16:32:32 GMT -5
I'm not really a fan of leagues or divisions to be quite honest. It doesn't really change the schedule or anything like that as it does in real sports, and it can be rather unfortunate when one team gets in as a 2 seed or something crazy even though they finished 6th or 7th.
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Post by Jason Hunt (Athletics GM) on Jan 19, 2012 10:30:04 GMT -5
Regarding Free Agency - I didn't see a clarification on this, so I just wanted to verify.
Can we bid on a free agent for more cap space than we have currently? For example, at the end of the draft I should have $20 left in cap space. Can I bid $21 for a free agent and if I win with that price, try to make the salaries work after the fact? If I can, how long of a time frame do I have to make the numbers right?
Also, with free agent bidding, I have seen in other leagues where the winning bid is the highest bidder, but the contract is actually the second highest bid + X amount. I wanted to clarify if we were doing this or not? (I don't think we were, but wanted to be sure).
Another question I didn't see a clarification for: How is the highest bid determined in cases of different length contracts?
For example, Team A bids $3 for 3 years ($9 total). Would a bid of $5 for 1 year ($5 total) be considered higher because of a higher per year salary, or not because it is lower than the total of the other bid.
One more thing - How are the contracts structured? Are we allowed to decide, or is it just flat across the length of the contract? For example, if I bid $4 for 4 years ($16 total), do I need to structure it as 4-4-4-4, or can I change which years have a larger hit? (2-3-5-6) for example?
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Post by Commissioner (Athletics GM) on Jan 19, 2012 11:06:50 GMT -5
Good questions.
You may not bid more than you have available to bid. This would lead to managers bid high, looking to sell another piece, and assuming they are unsuccessful, they would be forced to drop their bid. This would create a boatload of complications that I don't think anyone wants to deal with.
The contract will be the same as the highest bid.
This one is a little tricky. One option is the contract in X Years must be Y Percent higher than the contract in Z Years.
For example, Darvish is offered a $1/2 Year deal by a manager. A second manager wishing to bid 1 year would have to bid 25% higher on the 1 year deal to cancel out the two years. Therefore, he would have to bid $1.25 for 1 year to beat the other manager. Every year drop from the opposing contract offered will be a 25% increase.
5 Year Offer = 1 Year deal at 100% Increase of 5 Year Price 4 Year Offer = 1 Year deal at 75% Increase of 4 Year Price 3 Year Deal = 1 Year Deal at 50% Increase of 3 Year Price 2 Year Deal = 1 Year Deal at 25% Increase of 2 Year Price
It all works in reverse, but remember that a $1 minimum is required. You can't bid 5 years on a player who has a $1/1 Year off and get him for free.
For the last one, I'm open to that idea. But we will need to have some sort of luxury tax for the managers that miscalculate their salaries and go over the limit.
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Post by scottc on Jan 19, 2012 12:21:52 GMT -5
Good questions. You may not bid more than you have available to bid. This would lead to managers bid high, looking to sell another piece, and assuming they are unsuccessful, they would be forced to drop their bid. This would create a boatload of complications that I don't think anyone wants to deal with. The contract will be the same as the highest bid. This one is a little tricky. One option is the contract in X Years must be Y Percent higher than the contract in Z Years. For example, Darvish is offered a $1/2 Year deal by a manager. A second manager wishing to bid 1 year would have to bid 25% higher on the 1 year deal to cancel out the two years. Therefore, he would have to bid $1.25 for 1 year to beat the other manager. Every year drop from the opposing contract offered will be a 25% increase. 5 Year Offer = 1 Year deal at 100% Increase of 5 Year Price 4 Year Offer = 1 Year deal at 75% Increase of 4 Year Price 3 Year Deal = 1 Year Deal at 50% Increase of 3 Year Price 2 Year Deal = 1 Year Deal at 25% Increase of 2 Year Price It all works in reverse, but remember that a $1 minimum is required. You can't bid 5 years on a player who has a $1/1 Year off and get him for free. For the last one, I'm open to that idea. But we will need to have some sort of luxury tax for the managers that miscalculate their salaries and go over the limit. My two cents: To make bidding simpler, highest overal value of contract bidded ($ times years) or highest AAV bidded makes the most sense/ is the least complex way to determine the winning bid. As long as there is a max contract length (5 years because that's the max on extensions) I see no problem with a $3/5 year bid beating a $4/3 year bid etc. Bidding AAV is even simpler and then you can let the winning bidder decide the length of contract (minmum 2 years, max 5) I am also of the opinion that allowing anything but flat contracts will lead to unecessary complications. Basically, the simpler we keep it the easier trade discussions and generally keeping track of your team year to year will be. MLB teams have whole staffs of bean counters to figure out escalating contracts etc. etc.
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Post by Commissioner (Athletics GM) on Jan 19, 2012 12:28:47 GMT -5
Very good points. We can see what other people say as well. I actually like your idea as it is simple and makes sense.
Flat contracts are much easier to keep track of and for simplicity's sake, it is probably the best option.
How does everyone feel about inflation?
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Post by Texas Rangers on Jan 19, 2012 13:10:14 GMT -5
Bidding AAV is even simpler and then you can let the winning bidder decide the length of contract (minmum 2 years, max 5)
I agree that this seems the simplest solution. Years don't even have to enter the equation when it comes to bidding.
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Post by rocky on Jan 19, 2012 14:56:32 GMT -5
Agree with the AAV and I'd like to keep the contracts flat too.
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Post by tcengel on Jan 19, 2012 15:08:05 GMT -5
Agree with the AAV and I'd like to keep the contracts flat too. I agree.
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Post by pooptallica on Jan 20, 2012 13:38:57 GMT -5
Yeah, let's keep it simple, AAV and flat contracts. I'm not opposed to the more complicated options on principle, but the practical implications could get messy and annoying.
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Post by carloscollazo06 on Jan 20, 2012 16:51:25 GMT -5
Agree with simplicity
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Post by Jason Hunt (Athletics GM) on Jan 22, 2012 23:21:22 GMT -5
Can I also make a suggestion that we have a set start date for this first batch of free agency? Like pick a specific day later this week and say that's when people can start posting free agent bids. Seems like it would just make it easier once I make the final draft pick
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Post by tcengel on Jan 22, 2012 23:57:36 GMT -5
Can I also make a suggestion that we have a set start date for this first batch of free agency? Like pick a specific day later this week and say that's when people can start posting free agent bids. Seems like it would just make it easier once I make the final draft pick Concur
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Post by Commissioner (Athletics GM) on Jan 23, 2012 0:55:50 GMT -5
Let's say Thursday, 12 Noon EST, assuming the draft is completed by then.
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Post by Jason Hunt (Athletics GM) on Jan 24, 2012 12:00:49 GMT -5
I just posted a compilation of the free agency rules over in the Free Agency section. Can somebody make sure I got everything right and didn't miss anything?
Also, how will we be handling free agency during the season? If there is a player we want will we just start a bid here on the forum, and then follow the normal free agency rules from there?
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